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God, you liar! by TheNightmaresDreamer God, you liar! by TheNightmaresDreamer
C: <3 I'm just curious...

I don't want no shit excuse like ITS ALL PART OF HIS MASTER PLAN. No, fuck off.

He's supposedly omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient, if he's all these things he has the power to end world hunger or solve the overpopulation issue or end disease. So, why hasn't he?

EDIT: Bear in mind, I am agnostic. I don't actually believe in god, which is why I'm questioning if he does then why hasn't he done anything with his powers.

EDIT2: a lot of you say FREE WILL. Let me make it clear, even from the START, I said nothing about bad choices, I said DISEASE, WORLD STARVATION, POVERTY ETC. I don't care about free will, I'm talking about things we cannot control.

EDIT3: what none of you seem to understand is that this god being is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent. Therefore, he should, in theory, be able to solve about 7bn people's problems at once without fatigue. He could do everything listed above. He hasn't, therefore he cannot exist.
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Butterscotsh Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Welp.

you have officially disproven god.
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BadDogAlliance Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
God knows. He'll return and make everything the way he had planned for us before men sinned.
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Jaguar24 Featured By Owner May 10, 2014
No fucks given on your religion, but
GOD IS FUCKING FAT AND LAZY
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Undead-Purdy Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
That just made my day XDDD
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Jaguar24 Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2015
Good.
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ButterflyReflection Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
O.o ifind myself oddly funny saying this It's not that God dosen't exist. it's that He'sleft heaven and stopped trying. He could end a lot of peoples problems but what would that mean if Humans just create more problems?
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SeersSword Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013   General Artist
First of all please note I am only referring to God as the male gender because the only part of the Trinity who's humanly definable gender is actually known was Yeshua (or as He is also called, Jesus) and He was a man. He had to come to earth as a man to die and redeem creation as a man because (contrary to popular opinion) the original sin was actually committed by the first human man, Adam. He did not protect his wife from the only poisonous substance in the garden of Eden, the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil. Had Eve truly been the one at fault Yeshua would have needed to be a woman. (Please also note that God is Love and once a very wise man said that everything that is done out of love is done beyond good and evil.) The first sin was not the act of pursuing knowledge but rather letting the flame of love for the one Adam was meant to love and respect to most dwindle until he was not moved in his heart to protect her when the chance of her dying from said fruit was prominent. He made her his guinea pig when he should have cherished and protected her as his wife. The absence of love strips us of our humanity.

I actually do not think God is all-knowing in the sense that predestination can exist. If God knew how everything was going to end that would automatically make everything predestined (as His mind is what the universe was spawn from). Predestination and free will cannot co-exist. If that were the case He could not be loving, hence He could not be Himself, hence He would not truly be God, but rather a great proverbial cosmic child frying everything he deemed weaker than himself with the proverbial giant magnifying glass. If that is the case than He would not have sent His human incarnate Self (or His "Son") to die to redeem anybody or if he did it would be to save such a small percentage of the world the whole thing would have just been a cruel joke. God is Love. Love cannot be cruel. I believe Christ's death paid the price for us to be fallen humans as well as to return to our original glorified form. However enlightened we chose to be or our circumstances allow us to be, most of us will go on from death to be with Him when we die. I believe there are infinite alternate endings and it's up to us entirely in real time to decide what those will be. I of course do not have exact numbers on that but that is the small amount of belief I allow myself as I am mostly Nihilistic now.

So why would a loving God create humans on the planet that satan is bound to? That isn't something a Good Father or what-have-you would do for His children. That is based on the assumption that Humans are naturally weaker than fallen angelic creatures, or their leader satan. Not so before the original Sin. God set the Human race on earth as such glorious powerful beings that their seed could have banished that last bastion of evil from the universe. Notice the point I already made about Love being greater than both Good and Evil. It was pure strategy and Our Creator gave our first Parents all the genius and strength and flawless authority they would need to turn this cage of satan into a blooming garden and go one to the other dormant planets to bring life to them as well. Why would he involve us in this blood feud? So the proverbial kid with the magnifying glass could never rule over anyone. If you look carefully at the first few chapters of Job you see that that sadistic nature is characteristic of satan not God. Satan's chosen function (as angelic beings also have free will) is to kill, steal, and destroy. God's chosen function (as He is already complete in his Trinity) is to give everything life and allow everything to thrive in His loving, generous care - not as a benevolent dictator but as a Father who longs for His children to be independent and awaken to truly find themselves an co-create with him.

When Adam and Eve ate from the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, they in that act agreed to the terms of Good and Evil. They agreed to step outside the realm of Love and sell themselves into playing satan's game when their mission was to destroy the destroyer and then live happily in a garden with their Father and their children for all eternity.

The errors of humanity have been paid for in full by Yeshua's Blood, but creation itself has not been fully restored yet. Satan no longer has any authority (as his head was crushed at Calvary) but he is still entirely too active. The Bible states in Romans 8:19 that creation is anxious for the children of God to be revealed. It longs for us to take up our self-ownership again, take back our authority as greater being's than this world's scourge, and take back this territory from satan (or take dominion over it) back from, and finally banish him for his cruelty and trying to overthrow the Love that the universe itself exists because of. When that happens all will be made right and the cosmos will heal itself. Until then we can do all that is within our power to heal everything and everyone around us.
That is why our beloved Earth is in the sorry state it is in, even though the Blood price has been paid and satan's authority abolished and made not much more than a nightmare of the past, we as the Earths care-takers have not taken in hand our new task of abolitionism the old law in it's physicality. God has given us everything we need. When we have each other we have everything we need. When we love each other and no longer bow to perverse rulers that will be the first step towards bringing the garden back. Yeshua already made it possible for us to be free leave the captivity of our former ruler, and slave master Satan too see and live with our Father again not only after death but in the land of the living. All we need to do now is mimic Love until it becomes who we are. We will never be God, however, like satan promised Adam and Eve should they eat his poison. I think any good Father would love His children just the way they are. That's all there is to it.


Thank you far asking this question I've had all these ideas floating around in my head for SOME time now and I was finally able to make them sound cohesive! :tighthug:
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EbolaBears Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2013
"I actually do not think God is all-knowing in the sense that predestination can exist. If God knew how everything was going to end that would automatically make everything predestined"

But it says in the bibble babble the god is all knowing and knows how everything plays out.
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xghfthfgxn Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2012  Professional General Artist
Maybe God is just some great cosmic farmer. He/She/It only gives us life so He/She/It can feed on it later on. The exact condition of a living person need not be relevant because the next batch will presumably be better.
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HeavenCalling Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2012
Well, the evil in the world is human made so some of the suffering we cause on eachother. But to really answer this question I think we could look at it like this. When a child gets hurt they dont care how they did, they just want you to comfort them. God is the same way, we suffer it happens but we can know he will be there to comfort us. Also God knows what we are going through. Not only can he read are thoughts, but he was once in the same spot. Jesus was mocked, whipped kill, his best friend died. Jesus suffered! He understands us. So when we suffer God might not doing something to make the trouple just go away, but he will always be there to comfort us.
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Derpylovesyou Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
i wonder this at times to... i think every one does... i personally think evrything happends for a reson. it sounds like crap i know... but know one really knows do we?
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Pepperfan1 Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I couldn't agree more. A similar question: If God wants us to have full and happy lives, why do miscarries happen? Stillborns? Infant deaths? Young child deaths? (This is a big reason why i don't believe in God. If he loved everyone and wanted us to have happy lives, my older sister and younger brother wouldn't have died as infants.)
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HeavenCalling Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2012
I first want to say, I am deeply sorry for your pain and losts. Through a Christian point of view, God does want us to live a full, happy life. But being a Christian does not mean that will happen. God's first goal is making us holy. I strongly believe in the power of pray and I feel that with it we anything is possible, weather it is getting through the hard times, or making the bad into good.
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Georgie604 Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2012
Dear lord this one annoys me! I ask a religious friend of mine why God lets us suffer (I'm not into that kinda thing but she normally has answers) and she said it's a test.
Well if god is testing us in this way then he's a bit of a sadistic b*stard because the world has been in a bit of a bad way for the last couple hundred years and he has done very little help (Probably because he doesn't exsist).
So if he did exsist then surely he would help his people instead of letting them go on in pain.
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HeavenCalling Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2012
I dont want to insult your friend, but God is not testing us. Now, im not going to sit here and try to prove to you why God is real. But when others are in pain, shouldnt we try to help I think people dont usally try to help someone who is hurting unless they know them well. Um worldly issues, such as war is human fault. Things like poverty, being reliougous or having a relationship with God wont mean you will become rich. But God promises a paradise where we will go, and there will be no more pain or suffering.

SIDE NOTE: I would love for you to comment back, but I really wish not to start a arguement, just a convertation.
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Tawana Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2012
My pastor told me it's because he wants us to figure out how to solv things ourselfs.
I respect your opion on the matter, I'm just throwing my 2-bit in there ^^
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Gemirafficorn Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2012
Why hasn't he done anything?
Because he's not real.
Religion seems to be just a cloak of beliefs, when yet we have proof that such a being does not exist. And if he did... where the hell would he live? I never understood this. Does he like, float above time and space or something?
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CelcoLevi01 Featured By Owner Apr 22, 2015
We could prove not having an active god, but no god at all? I used to believe that the universe was created by an accident from god and he was able to loom over his creatures.

Also I think he just lives right outside the universe.

I'd imagine our universe is just an exhibit in heaven that people can visit, the universe constantly gets smaller while getting bigger as an exhibit so it remains the same size, but everything inside it gets smaller.
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BrRaInFrEeZe Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
He thinks we should solve our own problems.
Why should he be bothered if we can't be? There's enough food in the world, money in the world, and medicine in the world to help the majority of us live proper lives. He's given us that. It's our fault if we don't use it for all it's worth.

I'm not religious or anything, it's just my opinion.
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Fenris-Kin Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2012  Student Writer
You forget the other thing we're taught; he's omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient... and benevolent. He can't be all of those things and allow this to carry on, ergo, God either doesn't exist... or he doesn't care.

God is cruel, no doubt about it. As Riddick said 'I absolutely believe in God, I just hate him.'
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TheNightmaresDreamer Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2012  Student Writer
That's a crucial fact that both of my Catholic schools seem to miss. And my parents. HOHUM.
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BOULLIE Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2012
Doesn't the bible say that he decided to stay out of human affairs
when Adam & Eve ate the forbidden fruit?

Just a question.
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HeatherFoxV Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2012
I'm not entirely bible quoting material, what with that "being an athiest" thing. My response was a rather sarcastic, joking one, just a note, but I am pretty sure there was some keeping out of it mentioned.
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BOULLIE Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2012
Yeah, I thought I'd read that somewhere for a class.

Been awhile though, Not sure why I bothered asking in the first place though,
Not exactly my favorite topic of conversation.
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HeatherFoxV Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2012
:lol: I suppose drowning an entire planet doesn't count as "human affairs."
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BOULLIE Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2012
This is a valid point, but it only seeks to explore further into a topic that I have no desire to delve further into.

Answer the question, or not at all.
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x-Short-Hilt-x Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Because we all know he's an omnipotent troll. :icontrollfaceplz:

He's kind of like a site admin that you put up with but when you quit you usually RAGE QUIT. >3>

But yeah, I'm agnostic as well and I'm wondering too. |D
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SeraphinaSnape37 Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2012
God doesn't give us anything more than what we can handle. The problem is, PEOPLE AREN'T HANDLING IT. Not enough people are not trying to stop poverty and starvation or donating to finding cures to diseases. People aren't trying to stop violence and the evil leaders who put their people in horrible situations... If everyone put everything they had into stopping disease, world starvation etc., those problems would have been gone a LONG time ago.
Just putting in my 2 cents....
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TheNightmaresDreamer Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2012  Student Writer
So what your saying is, there's not enough people, that discovered HIV was an incurable disease, trying to fix an incurable disease?
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SeraphinaSnape37 Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2012
exactly. I am sure if people/governments put as much money they put in useless stuff to HIV/AIDS, cancer, etc. research and work for cures, there may not be cures, but at least there may be meds created to lessen the pain. We should stop being all 'woe is me, woe is me', blaming God for everything, and actually do something about all these problems.
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HeatherFoxV Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2012
And in the mean time, until the rest of the world stops being so darn selfish, children can continue starving to death because god is making a point. :dummy:
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SeraphinaSnape37 Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2012
:stare: I am not sure if you are being sarcastic or serious...
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HeatherFoxV Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2012
That there was some sarcasm.
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SeraphinaSnape37 Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2012
:stare: I will not attempt to explain God to you. It is not possible to wrap our tiny human brains around the idea of God. Do I fully understand why things happen? No. I just put my faith in God's hands and everything will work out the end.
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HeatherFoxV Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2012
And that's the difference between you and I, and I am fine with that. I'm happy for you that you can put your faith in something.
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Ntn2 Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2012
"I don't want no shit excuse like ITS ALL PART OF HIS MASTER PLAN. No, fuck off."

Why is not a valid excuse?
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TheNightmaresDreamer Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2012  Student Writer
Because its not an answer. I could claim anything with that... WHY DIDN'T YOU PASS YOUR DEGREE? ITS ALL PART OF MY MASTER PLAN.
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Ntn2 Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2012
You are arguing about what someone who we are not even sure about his existance might me thinking, what do you expect?
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Sonic260 Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
To me it sounds more like they have no answer. It's like the question "Why is the sky blue?", and the answer is "Because God made it that way."
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SinIxto Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm not a big believer in god myself, but my guess, if he does exist he doesn't us relying on him for every fucking thing that goes wrong in this world. I mean, I believe in what goes around comes around, and if we suffer enough in the end we will be rewarded, same for if we work hard enough.
If you think about it, if there's so much suffering, then at the end, that must mean that there's something good that comes of it... I want to believe that, but I also know that with every law, or every belief, there are exceptions. If there is a god, and if he is allowing us to suffer, perhaps then it means after this life is finished, and after we move on, we move on to something phenomenal. But of course, I could be completely wrong.
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HellsMagician Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2012  Hobbyist
Oh look, over a half of child in Somali suffering from severe or acute malnutrition and over 12 million people in that area are in need of aid~
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TheNightmaresDreamer Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2012  Student Writer
And who's the non-existent being who's not doing anything about it? God.

xD
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CareBearKidd Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
It's because he gave us freewill and we chose to make bad choices. So now living on Earth is a trial and those who pass go to Heaven and those who fail go to Hell. He's like the parent who punishes you because he loves you and being grounded now will make you a better person tomorrow, assuming you're not a spoiled brat.

I don't believe in a god, but that's what I understand. It's not his job to fix it because we ruined it. Earth was paradise once upon a time, but humans ruined that. Adam and Eve ruined it. The only reason why God has not given up completely and sent everyone to Hell is because Jesus sacrificed himself for our second chance. Which, honestly, isn't going very well.

That is why God does not interfere.

This, I think, is a very simple concept to grasp. Do I believe in it? No. But I find it utterly stupid of atheists and the like to question it as if they're saying anything new.
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TheNightmaresDreamer Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2012  Student Writer
I don't care that we have free will. I'm talking of incurable diseases, world hunger, poverty etc. because a being so powerful could eradicate those things quite simply. Yet, a being doesn't, therefore said being does not exist.

Yes, humans ruined the earth. We did not, however, start cancer, AIDS, meningitis, herpes, Dementia, etc. Why doesn't he fix them?
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CareBearKidd Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Why should he? Who's to say they are not a part of his tests and trials? Job, from the Bible for example, was tested on his faith by losing his family, his income, and getting terribly sick. He did nothing to provoke this and he was a good Christian. But, he was still tested.

God is meant to be a perfect and holy being. That being said, next to him, we simple humans cannot comprehend perfection. We don't know it. We can't judge what we don't understand. That being said, we don't have the right to question his motives just as you shouldn't question why a good parent can discipline us or boss us around. We're not the judge. He is.

Again, it's not what I believe, but I understand it the idea. We don't--we can't--understand someone on a god's level.
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TheNightmaresDreamer Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2012  Student Writer
This is why I respect your opinion.

It is true, humans cannot perceive nor comprehend perfection. But the thing is, lets say god actually does cause Armageddon. He created the earth in the first place supposedly, why would he eradicate it?
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CareBearKidd Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
To start over? To end suffering for the truly good people? Give us yet another chance? Haha, if I could think like a god, I'd be glad to tell you.
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HellsMagician Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2012  Hobbyist
Because innocent babies and child are dying of famine and lack of clean drinking water?
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CareBearKidd Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Okay, that's why we--as a human race--should do something, but why should a god? If we can't even get over our greed and lust and obsession for power to get off our lazy asses to help our own people, why should a god? Why should he do something that we're perfectly capable of doing, but won't?

Looking at my parent example again, if God is to parents as humans are to children, why should the parent study for child's success? In fact, why do parents continue to spoil kids who do not deserve it and--instead of learning anything--get everything handed to them on a silver platter?

Why should a child expect a present everyday because he got a few for his birthday? Why should the human race expect anything more from a god who has already granted us life and capable hands?

Again, I don't believe in a god, but I do think people expect too much from God when the idea is to be grateful to said god rather than act like we have something we deserve, as if it's a right.
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FleetingGoodbyes Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2012
There is something called a clockwork god which just means got made everything and the only that he did go was set everything in motion and just let everything run on its own. Which is where the religion Deism which just means you believe in a god who just pretty much abandoned the world.

So hey there are all kinda of religions out there who view god differently.
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